Contra Cotra Concerning Consequentialism
Tightening the grip of utilitarianism
Okay, okay. I just couldnât resist alliteration in the title. Iâm not really against Cotra, except maybe for the fact thatâŚ
Iâm a utilitarian and sheâs not.
Ajeya Cotraâs recent article about loosening the grip of utilitarianism is a very interesting read, which explores the evolution of her thoughts on morality. She explains how, as a naĂŻve undergrad (my words, not herâs), she âlatched ontoâ utilitarianism, but she gradually shifted away from the framework engaging with its many ârepugnant conclusionsâ and thinking that maybe âthe dream of a straightforward bullet-biting utilitarianism was probably incoherentâ.1 She laments having to apply what she calls moral grit to accept those repugnant conclusions, explaining that once the âintellectual gripâ of utilitarianism was loosened she had some âbreathing roomâ. She concludes by stating that âI am not quite a utilitarian.â
I have a lot I want to say about this article. But first, why should you even listen to me? Cotra is a big-shot EA working full-time on solving x-risks and other pressing problems. I⌠well, Iâm that naĂŻve undergrad she was ten years ago. There is, however, one thing I have over her:
I am a utilitarian, to the grave.
Wait wait wait, doesnât this just emphasize my naĂŻvetĂŠ? You might think that, just like with Cotra, the âgripâ of utilitarianism will eventually wane on me. Of course, I canât be epistemically certain that this wonât ever happen, but making that assumption straightaway misses some crucial context of how exactly I came to associate with utilitarianism - my story is completely different from hers. When Cotra first learned about utilitarianism, I assume she did lots of reading to fully understand the position. When I learned about it, I just thought âWait, thereâs a name for the way in which I see things? Why didnât I know about this sooner?â.
Seriously. I am a Utilitarian.
Some of my youngest memories include thoughts on this subject. And I really do mean youngest; I pretty much rediscovered the drowning child argument, as a child myself, when I asked my parents why they wouldnât donate money to save the lives of those less fortunate than us in India. I always fantasized about what it would like to âbeâ everyone, essentially conducting the veil of ignorance thought experiment. To that end, I would lament the unfairness of the world by wondering why âbadâ people deserve to be punished - after all, from their point of view, theyâre the good guys!
A particularly vivid memory was when I reasoned to myself in primary school something along the lines of âHitler was vegetarian, so despite all the bad things he did, he must have been an okay personâ.2 Ignoring the many flaws in this thinking, the point is that getting myself to care about nonhumans took no more moral work than getting myself to care about humans. While Cotra describes how âthe utilitarian logic quickly drove [her] ⌠to change [her] focus from global poverty to animal welfareâ, I didnât need the utilitarian logic to drive me since I already agreed with the conclusion!
In fact, when I first heard about Effective Altruism last year, I was put off by it. Not because it was too utilitarian, but because it wasnât utilitarian enough. Why was everyone working on x-risks when it would be better if we all went extinct, considering the amount of suffering in the world? Why did 80,000 Hours have so many human-centric cause areas? If these people cared so much about impact, why were they working on areas which just didnât matter? It was only when I dove deeper into the movement that I found those more obscure ideas that actually resonated with me - Iâll never forget the euphoria I felt upon first landing on Brian Tomasikâs essays.3
It was only around this time when I actually learnt the definition of the word âutilitarianismâ.
And yes, of course I didnât have all the answers at the time. I didnât really consider caring about soil nematodes, bacteria, or the plausibility of suffering in fundamental physics. But the difference is that when I heard about these issues, I happily accepted them, not even feeling a twinge of caution about what they actually entailed. My views on morality havenât gotten any more confused after considering how weird caring about these issues may seem, and I certainly didnât feel like I needed to apply any âmoral gritâ to do so.
So, unlike Cotra, I was born a utilitarian, through and through. I didnât need to have it argued into me; Itâs just the way Iâve always seen things.
So, Are You Actually A Utilitarian?
I think my experience might sound surprising to a lot of young EAâs, like Cotra was at the time. From her essay, it sounds like she thinks that utilitarians donât âreallyâ resonate with it emotionally. She describes her experience with utilitarianism as having âto suck it up and eat bullets for breakfast every day until they started to taste okay.â This is, frankly, just not how some utilitarians think - the ones whoâve been utilitarian the day we were born, not having it argued into us. We resonate with it because we find it intuitive and emotionally appealing, not because we think itâs ârationalâ and âintellectually groundedâ. Tomasik describes morality as âcrying out at the horrors of the universe and pleading for them to stop.â And Parfit used to weep at the abstract concept of suffering.
Unfortunately, the fact that many conclusions of utilitarianism are classified as ârepugnantâ doesnât do much to help. Itâs useful to remember that repugnance is a property of oneâs perception of a conclusion, not the conclusion itself. The repugnant conclusions are called that, not because they âreally areâ repugnant in some sense, but because nonutilitarians think they are. And there just so happens to be a heck of a lot more nonutilitarians than utilitarians to classify those conclusions as repugnant.
To illustrate what I mean, Iâll demonstrate my intuitions behind Cotraâs âomnibus ultra-repugnant conclusionâ:
There is a hell containing a trillion innocent people suffering horribly. You have the resources to rescue all of these beings and give them rich and amazing lives filled with love and joy. Or you could use those same resources to buy a lottery ticket with the following payout:
999,999,999,999 in a trillion chance of tremendously increasing the suffering experienced by everyone in that hell.
1 in a trillion chance of creating N short-lived copies of Hitler feeling one second of slight satisfaction at the fact that those people are suffering so much.
Classical utilitarianism dictates, of course, that there is some N for which you are morally obligated to buy the lottery ticket.
When I work through thought experiments such as these, I try to evaluate âbeing everyoneâ. This pretty much takes care of all the intuitions I have about the scenario Then I counteract scope insensitivity by normalizing the subjective time in the world such that the time it takes to be everyone in all cases is the same time as a human lifespan.
So the thought experiment reads to me as the following.
You will be born, spend Ć time in hell, then disappear. Would you rather convert that Ć time in hell into Ć time in heaven, or take a lottery ticket with the following payout:
999,999,999,999 in a trillion chance of tremendously increasing that suffering in hell, but the suffering will still only last for Ć units of time, or
1 in a trillion chance of living a full human life.
Is there some sufficiently small Ć where you would take the ticket?
Now, I personally wouldnât take the lottery ticket since Iâm not a classical utilitarian,4 and in particular I donât think that extreme suffering can be outweighed by a comparatively less extreme amount of good, no matter how many instances of that good occur. However I can certainly see why others would take the gamble, and itâs definitely not something Iâd regard as ârepugnantâ. Perhaps someone reasons that, no matter how horrible the suffering, theyâd only have to endure it for a second, or a picosecond, or a plank time.
But, see? Iâm rejecting the conclusion based solely on my intuitions. Iâm biased by the fact that Iâve never experienced superhappiness, Iâm biased by the fact that Iâve only experienced what it feels like to be a human, and Iâm biased by the fact that I donât really experience the world in increments as small as a plank time. And Iâm using these biases to inform my conclusions!
In a sense, you kind of have to use your intuitions as a utilitarian - the only things utilitarians take into account are instances of subjective experience, and you can really only evaluate those by actually being in those experiential states. You have to take into account the truth of feeling, not the truth of fact. So utilitarians arenât biting on bullets until they taste okay, weâre biting on (vegan) chocolate that already tastes divine.
Do You âFeelâ That Utilitarianism Is Correct?
As you can probably tell, I donât feel any of the moral confusion that Cotra does, since I do in fact resonate with it intuitively. Maybe most people reading this arenât like that. Maybe you do feel some lingering âgripâ of utilitarianism.
And to that, I say, just let it go. Just like Cotra did.
Look, I canât in good faith give you arguments to let go, since Iâm really biased towards utilitarianism - you should read other peopleâs accounts instead. But I can say this.
If the prospect of caring about soil nematodes scares you, rather than excites you, you shouldnât worry about cause areas you just donât care about. Seriously. I sympathize with you. I likewise just canât get myself to care about global health, not when a single square meter of soil holds nematodes whose aggregate complexity may far exceed a human being's. I canât get myself to care about x-risks, not when we donât even know whether each of the billion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion atoms in the observable universe could have their own experience, no matter how simple they might be.
That being said, itâs still fine if âmaximizing utilityâ guides your thinking. Utilitarianism is only radical because it stipulates that qualia is the only source of value, but everyone agrees that qualia is a source of value. The âEâ in âEAâ doesnât stand for utilitarianism.
All the prominent EA cause areas are mainstream not because they are contingent on utilitarianism, which only a small minority of EAs actually resonate with, but because they are robust to a wide variety of moral theories. As a rough guess, I would say that anything less extreme than wild invertebrate welfare (including farmed animal welfare, wild vertebrate welfare, AI welfare, and longtermism) has meaningful grounding in legitimate nonutilitarian theories - This aligns with the listed cause areas on 80,000 Hours. You should still deliberate which causes to prioritize among all of those. Itâs only cause areas more extreme that require at least some utilitarian logic to care about.
And just be aware that there are EAâs who truly think our effects on soil nematodes dwarfs everything else, or who think that x-risks arenât a bad thing. Donât be scared of us. Weâre just as emotionally attached to children dying of malaria or chickens tortured in cages as you are. The only thing is, we think there is the chance of there being exponentially worse problems in the world than even that, and we canât sleep easy until the possibility of such problems existing is essentially zero.
Weâre here to fight the injustice in the world, just as you are.
You Do âFeelâ That Utilitarianism Is Correct?
But maybe, youâre in the same boat as me. Maybe you can feel in your bones that utilitarianism is the way to go, and everything else is just layering unnecessary abstraction upon unnecessary abstraction. Iâm glad you exist in a tiny corner of an already tiny community. Please, no matter what, keep your mindset alive - no one else can treat the subject of suffering in nematodes, bacteria, or fundamental physics with the respect it deserves.
If youâre scared that so many people, even within EA, even former utilitarians, are against our position, just know that our position is coherent. The true nature of sentience is complicated, and we havenât even come close to formulating a mathematical structure that captures it exactly. But that doesnât mean there isnât one out there, somewhere. And for the time being, we have pretty good heuristics to work off.
Youâd expect, as Cotra says, that âthe wise elders who had thought hardest about the intricacies of moral philosophy had never really been utilitarians in the first place.â Those people who think the hardest about moral philosophy do it because they care about those weird abstract concepts, like âmoralityâ. They donât care about the true source of value in the world. You are one of the few people who do. Never change.
As someone who writes a blog literally titled âThe Dream of Hedoniaâ, this line really stood out to me. It might be one of the reasons I felt like I âhadâ to respond to this article, in some attempt to intellectually âdefendâ myself. Unfortunately a bit of that emotion has leaked into my writing.
True story by the way! I think my rationale at this time was something like factory farming kills more than Hitler did, and Hitler didnât âsupportâ factory farming. Of course, I was too young to realise that (a) the story of Hitlerâs vegetarianism is likely fabricated, and of course (b) that vegetarianism doesnât magically counterfactually prevent all of factory farming.
Just to be clear, yes, I was horrified upon hearing about plausible cause areas I hadnât even considered. AI sentience, invertebrate sentience, and the plausibility of suffering in physics, to name a few. The world was already terrible with factory farming and wild animal suffering, and there was a possibility that it could get worse? No, the reason I was euphoric was just because I finally found someone who thought like me. I didnât feel intellectually alone for once!
Here Iâm assuming Cotra means some sort of simple structure S for a utility function when she refers to âclassicalâ utilitarianism. Iâm assuming this because her intuitions later rely on this assumption. For example, âa massive population of rich joyful lives can be outweighed by a big enough pile of the barest pleasureâ already assumes that S is at least a totally ordered semigroup under addition (it has to be totally ordered since it assumes that those two things are even comparable in the first place). Iâm not a classical utilitarian under this definition since I donât believe anything about S except that it must have a partial order.

